RICHARD SWANSON: Well, research, it really has a lot of similarities with sailing. In research, you have the forces of nature or the laws of nature, if you will, which you're trying to bend to your will, to make them work for you, and sailing is the same way. It's also competitive. Sailing can be competitive. Research is competitive. There's a lot of researchers, and everybody wants, of course, to be successful and their project to succeed. It's not so much a competition against other people, really, as a competition against yourself or with yourself to succeed and have your concepts work.